[Teach]

OK I guess this is as good a thread as any at this moment to bring up something that has been on my craw for a few weeks...it really deserves it's own thread probably but here we go...

I think before anyone gets to poking to far into the genetics of pterophyllum making this claim and that and defining or redifining this or that...maybe the species differentiation issue should be worked on first and foremost...and the nomenclature...just what the heck is an altum or a dumerelli or a leo or a scalare or a peruvian altum...why the heck did someone coin peru altum when the only thing that is altum or resembles altum really lives in Venezuela or Columbia Orinoco or Negro???

How can you talk about environment with any gravity at all unless you know what species and what environment exactly you are talking about???

I dunno I may not know what I am talking about it just seems to me if you don't know what the species you are talking about is really then how in the heck are you going to be able to say anything concrete about the genes, it's true biotope, parameters, etc...not to mention we are talking about aquariums and not rivers...

I think the nomenclature concerning Pterophyllum has been weird from the very beginning personally...and it ought to be a little more clear...to me it is strange to others it may be different...

And I suppose until one of us takes a bunch of ghitas and starts a crazy multi year long expedition to the SA lands seeking pterophyllum DNA amongst other knowledge and then puts it together in a paper we'll never be for sure...I mean didn't it take forever and a lot of blood sweat tears heartache and gold for Heiko to make the Discus book???

Just some food for thought!

[Teach]

Man I was thinking about starting Poll 3 - Teach's Fish...

I have 5 angels currently...I thought about posting them all...and seeing which one you all thought was coolest...

But instead I challenge one or two of you to start Poll 3 and maybe 4...your personal fish that you keep...and let us decide which one wins...

[Teach]

I found this tonight surfing...personally I think this is one bad to the bone angelfish...maybe not the right thread for this post but what the heck...I think this particular fish could run against any of the ones in the poll and hold it's own...

[Peter Bottle]

Its the fish from Amarillo Texas that is featured in the "look at what my daughter brought home" thread, or something like that.

We tried to buy it but the pet store owner would not sell it. It was in the hands of a forum members before it got exchanged back to the pet store.

Sad loss, but agrees with you a kick ass fish.

Pete

[Deb]

It does look like that fish but it's not the same photo as what was posted here.

http://angelfishkisses.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1201

It is one beautiful fish!


Deb

[watermillman]

Originally Posted by duckweed

Main Orinoco water might be made by us using RO with dilute gypsum board and that sugary Lucozade (U.K.) drink...

It isn´t good way. I had much attempts with RO water and also with water from demineralization columns. I also had attempt with distilled water from my dry-air-machine in fishroom. It all are too much unnaturally sterile waters with mix of another solved salts. If I was want good water, I went to some forest´s waterhole, where were perfect soft water with "tea" color. It was so right for these fishes.

Originally Posted by Teach

...why the heck did someone coin peru altum when the only thing that is altum or resembles altum really lives in Venezuela or Columbia Orinoco or Negro???

Name "Peru - altum" is distorted Peruan merchandiser´s name for very nice and high scalare, what they in 80´s were found near by Iquitos. They gave them their right name as "Peruan alto". Peruan = these fishes were came into world from Peru. Alto = is same as HIGH in Spanish language. Nothing more. It, that there going about some crossing between scalares and altum are only gossips, what more aquarists took as true, because wholesalers had garbled right Spanish name.

Jan

[buckeye]

hello!! i think this is a pretty interesting poll. i personally know what charateristics the wild named angels have and look like but i am sure there will be somone that does not know what they actually look like?? if at all possible could anyone post a picture of the angel related to its wild name and region in the pole beside it's vote?? if not thats ok!! thanks teach!!

[duckweed]

Originally Posted by watermillman

It isn´t good way. I had much attempts with RO water and also with water from demineralization columns. I also had attempt with distilled water from my dry-air-machine in fishroom. It all are too much unnaturally sterile waters with mix of another solved salts. If I was want good water, I went to some forest´s waterhole, where were perfect soft water with "tea" color. It was so right for these fishes.



Jan

Hi Jan. I think I am overly paranoid about that...nowhere I could get such water anyway..but to give a idea about how scared I have been about disease intridcution, I found a nice big piece of bogwood 2 years back and I'm almost ready to put it in the tank
That's not being too sensible, is it ? it's overly paranoid.

Dave